When considering the prospects of a team from outside of Asia in a Test series in India it can feel a little like Groundhog Day. Over and over again you have to ask the question: can the tourists play spin? No doubt the visiting players ask that of themselves before they even face a ball.
Ahead of Australia's four-Test series, which starts in Pune on Thursday, it is a query which has probably been keeping captain Steve Smith awake. And when he does go to sleep, visions of Ravi Ashwin and Ravi Jadeja might stalk his dreams.
The series market made up its mind sometime ago. Australia can't play spin so the home team are ranked no better than 1.232/9. Australia are marginally bigger at 9.08/1 than a stalemate at 8.07/1.
Often markets fail to tell the whole story. They can be influenced by money placed on reputation. Or by a stubborn refusal to see the potential of one of the protagonists. It is hard, however, to reckon there is a rick here.
Australia were whitewashed 3-0 by an inexperienced Sri Lanka team in July and August of last year. To call them flummoxed against turn would be kind. They were utterly diabolical. In four innings they failed to pass 203. And when they managed 379 in the second innings at the SSC, they got rolled for 161 in the fourth.
The core of that batting unit return for another go. Glutton for punishment? Smith and David Warner are almost considered Gods among fools but the latter could only manage 27 in that series. Mitchell Marsh, Usman Khawaja and Peter Nevill must learn quicker this time. And one has to fear for newbies like Peter Handscomb and Matt Renshaw.
But it's not really about whether they have suffered in Asia before or not. They won't be the first Aussies to swallow hard when they see a raging turner and say 'no thanks, mate'. And they won't be the last.
Over eight years in Asia, Australia have played 18, won one. That sequence includes nine consecutive defeats. If they lose in Pune it will be ten.
If we filter that to India alone then there is every reason to consider a whitewash. In 2013 Australia were thumped in each of the four Tests. They lost two out of two in 2010 and two out of four (the other two drawn) in 2008. The 2004 vintage were pretty good - Warne, Gilchrist, Gillespie McGrath, you might have heard of them - and won 2-1. Before that outlier there were three consecutive series losses.
So is there any hope? Well, a start would be to the win the toss and try to bat for a couple of days. If they lose the flip, the game is as good as up. India look certain to prepare pitches which suit Ashwin and Jadeja.
They might have a sniff of a single Test win if India get lazy and Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood are fit and firing. To that end, we were rather surprised those two were worked so often in the one-day series against Pakistan and New Zealand. Both could have done with several weeks off.
Nathan Lyon, Ashton Agar and Steve O'Keefe, their spinners, could be in for a hiding to nothing. In the face of the slashing blades of Virat Kohli, Chet Pujara, Murali Vijay and Ajinkya Rahane it could be a month-long nightmare.
One could be forgiven for thinking that India can be guilty of throwing in the odd shambolic performance in Tests now and again. When they are expected to win they are, occasionally, a whopping let down. Not so. This lot have not lost at home in the last two years and all comers have been despatched still no wiser as to how to combat their attack.
England were beaten 4-0 in five, New Zealand were whitewashed in three and South Africa were beaten 3-0 in four. In each of those series, the touring team thought they might be on to something with a tactic or ploy. They didn't have a hope.
A 3-0 success for India is the favourite on the correct score, coming in at 4.3100/30. Next best is the whitewash at 5.59/2 and then a 3-1 result at 6.05/1. It could be that a doctored home surface comes back to bite India but once bitten, twice shy.
1pt India 4-0 5.59/2
1pt India 3-1 6.05/1